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>>tax cuts don't create jobs. the golden years as the conservatives call them, we had the highest tax rates, and the highest amount of growth, and the highest amount of jobs. those are facts. >>"if you ever raise taxes on the rich, you're going to destroy our economy." not true! if you have an opinion, you better back it up. >>eliot spitzer takes on politics. >>science and republicans do not mix. >>now it's your turn at the only online forum with a direct line to eliot spitzer. >>join the debate now. >> eliot: if you want to lower the abortion rate there is an effective way to do it without changing the law. you can see it in our number of the day 61% that's how much birth rate fell when birth control was given away for free. this came out of a study by washington university, 9,000 women, many of whom were poor and uninsured were offered contraceptives without cost. most got iuds or other implants which are the most effective option and usually quite expensive. but the drop in pregnancy more than made up in the ex
>>tax cuts don't create jobs. the golden years as the conservatives call them, we had the highest tax rates, and the highest amount of growth, and the highest amount of jobs. those are facts. >>"if you ever raise taxes on the rich, you're going to destroy our economy." not true! if you have an opinion, you better back it up. >>eliot spitzer takes on politics. >>science and republicans do not mix. >>now it's your turn at the only online forum with a direct...
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listen to this. >> governor romney and i both agree our cooperate tax rate is too high. we both agree we've got to boost american energy production and it appears we've got some agreement that a marketplace to work has to have some regulation. i suspect that on social security we've got a somewhat similar position. >> you understand what he was trying do there? >> yeah, i do. >> i got a bit confused. >> i think you're right, wolf. and i think that is a disastrous approach. the truth of the matter is mitt romney right now is the head of a right-wing extremist party called the republican party. it wasn't always the case. that's what they are today. if the president cannot differentiate himself clearly from right-wing extremism, we've got a lot of problems as a nation and he's got problems as a candidate running for re-election. in terms of social security, it is absurd for the president to say that he and romney are coming down in the same way. social security today has a $2.7 trillion surplus. social security hasn't contributed one nickel to the deficit, can pay out benef
listen to this. >> governor romney and i both agree our cooperate tax rate is too high. we both agree we've got to boost american energy production and it appears we've got some agreement that a marketplace to work has to have some regulation. i suspect that on social security we've got a somewhat similar position. >> you understand what he was trying do there? >> yeah, i do. >> i got a bit confused. >> i think you're right, wolf. and i think that is a disastrous...
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about lowering taxes isn't as attractive. it isn't elegantly stated, i'm speaking off the cuff in response to a question. >> now and then you're going say something that did not come out right. in this case i said something completely wrong. i absolutely believe that my life has shown that i care about 100%. and that has been demonstrated throughout my life. and this whole campaign is about the 100%. when i become president it will be about helping the 100%. >> did i say 47%? i meant 100%. i'm surprised he didn't go with 110%. how did the conservatives feel about this? from the club for growth, massive right wingers who are against any tax increases said this. there was nothing there to give us great concern. but we'll be watching what he does if he becomes president. now, in other words i hear you big guy, go ahead and lie all you need to. we know when you become president you're going to do exactly what we tell you to do. that's the problem. now let's figure out what went wrong with president obama's debate. for that let's
about lowering taxes isn't as attractive. it isn't elegantly stated, i'm speaking off the cuff in response to a question. >> now and then you're going say something that did not come out right. in this case i said something completely wrong. i absolutely believe that my life has shown that i care about 100%. and that has been demonstrated throughout my life. and this whole campaign is about the 100%. when i become president it will be about helping the 100%. >> did i say 47%? i...
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i am a tax cheat, i don't pay my taxes. if i'm walking down the street and someone has a gun to my head should a scoop protect me? >>lis: of course. yes. you got me both ways because is different. a firefighter for your home should come there and protect you and your children your family whether you pay the fee. the point is it is a fee, not a tax. just to make sure that your community is safe. that's all it is. $150? really? really? really? >> i'm pretty sure whatever reviewing court looks at it will find that the label does not rule the day. it is the effect, which is a levee, a charge, a charge on the taxpayers of california and they will pay it with a two-thirds majority vote. there has to a constitutionality and procedural constitutionality. >> if we allow this to lap in every town, can't they levee the fees all over the place if everything? >>lis: you go, taking it out of the public safety or public service which is where it belongs, you go to the public library, you get a book out, you are late on the book, you get a
i am a tax cheat, i don't pay my taxes. if i'm walking down the street and someone has a gun to my head should a scoop protect me? >>lis: of course. yes. you got me both ways because is different. a firefighter for your home should come there and protect you and your children your family whether you pay the fee. the point is it is a fee, not a tax. just to make sure that your community is safe. that's all it is. $150? really? really? really? >> i'm pretty sure whatever reviewing...
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is you can easily just blame it on austerity and then it kind of precludes any discussion of cuts or tax reform and countries that are really need it like the u.s. because you can just say austerity and people are programmed to go oh no austerity is bad we're going to be greece and you see people on both sides of the aisle. use this argument and before i move on to the next story i just want to bring up a tweet that a greek journalist tweeted i thought kind of summed it up even if merkel decides to write off the greece debt today foreign media will still see the twenty people who burned nazi flags and throw stones at the police i mean it's just kind of the always the focus of any kind of coverage that grace gets is going to have good pictures of people protesting throwing molotov cocktails but where we want to is going i misspoke for use the word from the use sorry but donna. before that i just thought of it now but anyway the point is that the r word you don't know i don't agree with joe nothing really really got me upset like you're going to say that really got me upset it really got m
is you can easily just blame it on austerity and then it kind of precludes any discussion of cuts or tax reform and countries that are really need it like the u.s. because you can just say austerity and people are programmed to go oh no austerity is bad we're going to be greece and you see people on both sides of the aisle. use this argument and before i move on to the next story i just want to bring up a tweet that a greek journalist tweeted i thought kind of summed it up even if merkel...
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. >>> who is that masked moderate man on the debate stage, the guy who plans no $5 trillion tax cuts? who won't cut education, insists his health care plan covers people with pre-existing conditions. it's the same guy who now says his 47% comments were wrong. did mitt romney take his mask off or has the emperor got no clothes. >>> also, we're beginning to learn more about the flawed strategy that caused president obama to lay a debate egg wednesday night. it best not happen again. >>> and unemployment rate dropped sharply last month. add rick santorum and newt gingrich to the list of republicans who would like to see big bird on the unemployment line. >>> and finally, what the jobless number means and why some people don't like looking at it. this is "hardball," the place for politics. >> after about losing 800,000 jobs a month when i took office, our businesses have now added 5.2 million new jobs over the past 2 1/2 years. this morning we found out that the unemployment rate has fallen to its lowest level since i took office. more americans entered the work force. more people are get
. >>> who is that masked moderate man on the debate stage, the guy who plans no $5 trillion tax cuts? who won't cut education, insists his health care plan covers people with pre-existing conditions. it's the same guy who now says his 47% comments were wrong. did mitt romney take his mask off or has the emperor got no clothes. >>> also, we're beginning to learn more about the flawed strategy that caused president obama to lay a debate egg wednesday night. it best not happen...
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on average, gas prices tend to be a little higher because of taxes and environmental regulations there and also the mixing, the switchover. >> that's happening with american airlines? pilots issues and seats coming undone? >> i'm not on american this afternoon, but they had to ground almost 100 flights because the seats were coming loose. they're saying, the spokesperson was saying because of the gunk in between the seats. >> like spilled soda? >> exactly. if you ever lose your pen on flight, don't put your hand down there pu's don't know what you're going to find. that is a reason why the seats are coming loose. insiders are saying it's a mechanism failure and they were trying to remold those seats so they'd be a little better. >> the time cog not be worse. the pilots having issues. >> could not be worse. hopefully get the seats taken care of. i can't imagine being on a seat, flipping backwards. might be sort of fun. >> not the kind of drama you want on a flight. >> probably right. >> see you before your flight again. thank you very much. >>> in today's one-minute playback, jimmy fall
on average, gas prices tend to be a little higher because of taxes and environmental regulations there and also the mixing, the switchover. >> that's happening with american airlines? pilots issues and seats coming undone? >> i'm not on american this afternoon, but they had to ground almost 100 flights because the seats were coming loose. they're saying, the spokesperson was saying because of the gunk in between the seats. >> like spilled soda? >> exactly. if you ever...
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he was right in saying 47% don't pay income taxes. you talk about lifting those people up so they can make it in america. that's what they want. they want to become taxpayers, and that's where he was totally wrong and tonal deaf. that's why i said that night, they're not victims. >> but his response right now is saying he was dplecompletely wr which is different than what he said earlier, saying he stated it ineloquently. >> i think what he was saying is he was completely wrong in speaking pejoratively of the 47%, and he was wrong to do that. he is wrong about the basic economics of our country. but we have gotten to a point where the country is paying no income taxes and taking advantage of the role of government. does that mean too high, too low? that's a good argument to get into. >> i'm utterly confused right now. >> you're only confused because he's trying to explain the comment from mitt romney, and now ari is trying to explain the new comment from mitt romney where he was very clear in saying he was wrong. ari, there is no need
he was right in saying 47% don't pay income taxes. you talk about lifting those people up so they can make it in america. that's what they want. they want to become taxpayers, and that's where he was totally wrong and tonal deaf. that's why i said that night, they're not victims. >> but his response right now is saying he was dplecompletely wr which is different than what he said earlier, saying he stated it ineloquently. >> i think what he was saying is he was completely wrong in...
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and he opposes any new taxes. so on health care, he's kind of pulling up the ladder after him and his state. he's saying that he opposes universal health care at the federal level but he will not give states money they need to get it done at the state level. so under his plan there's no way to get universal health care done at all. but he doesn't really want you to know that. joining me now is jonathan gruber one of the folks who helped mitt romney design his health care law in massachusetts. it's great to see you. >> good to be here, ezra. >> you know these numbers for this plan, anything you want to fact check, correct or complicate here. >> no, you described it very well. i think what candidate romney is not owning up to is the fact that the federal government made our plan possible. they gave us the seed money, if you will, more than seed, more than half the money we needed to make it possible and the rest came from a tax that was already imposed on the state that mitt romney essentially rededicated to his eff
and he opposes any new taxes. so on health care, he's kind of pulling up the ladder after him and his state. he's saying that he opposes universal health care at the federal level but he will not give states money they need to get it done at the state level. so under his plan there's no way to get universal health care done at all. but he doesn't really want you to know that. joining me now is jonathan gruber one of the folks who helped mitt romney design his health care law in massachusetts....
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i will not put in place a deficit thdea tax that adds to the deficit. my plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit. >> we want to look at the facts here, again. mitt romney has not laid out specifics for how he would pay for his tax cut. he says it's by reducing deductions and closing loopholes, but he hasn't said which or how many. so, the verdict here is simply incomplete. we just don't know. >> that was john burrman reporting there for us. one way, though, is that romney has said that he would actually pay for this reduced revenue is by capping itemized deductions, but still so few specifics. i mean, he floated the idea of capping deductions at 17,000 and then floated the idea of capping them at 25,000 or 50,000. don't voters deserve to know and need to know what it is going to be at this point? >> i think he's going to have to give more specifics, certainly. a debate may not be the best platform to give specifics because the answers are supposed to be short and, frankly, randi, he was able to get away with not giving many
i will not put in place a deficit thdea tax that adds to the deficit. my plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit. >> we want to look at the facts here, again. mitt romney has not laid out specifics for how he would pay for his tax cut. he says it's by reducing deductions and closing loopholes, but he hasn't said which or how many. so, the verdict here is simply incomplete. we just don't know. >> that was john burrman reporting there for us. one way,...
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obama and biden want to raise taxes by a trillion dollars. guess what? yes, we do. and one regard... we want to let that trillion-dollar tax cut expire so the middle class doesn't have to bear the burden of aural of that money going to the super wealthy. that's not a tax rate -- that's called fairness, where i come from. >> greta: well, we are back with our political panel. sam, this will be edited as a yes we do, they will cut off the end on that one. >> you know, i imagine -- i would give anything to hear the conferrings after this happens between the vice-president and the president. i imagine it's a lot like with my ex-girlfriend, after a while, they are tired of hearing i'm sorry. it doesn't cut it anymore. look, it's going to be -- it is going to come up. the middle class is getting buried -- >> greta: see, i think that's the worst one, the buried one, don't you? >> mitt romney very subtly used the buried one. it was just perfect. he was talking about how bad the economy and was the middle class has taken it particularly heard hard, they have been burr buried.
obama and biden want to raise taxes by a trillion dollars. guess what? yes, we do. and one regard... we want to let that trillion-dollar tax cut expire so the middle class doesn't have to bear the burden of aural of that money going to the super wealthy. that's not a tax rate -- that's called fairness, where i come from. >> greta: well, we are back with our political panel. sam, this will be edited as a yes we do, they will cut off the end on that one. >> you know, i imagine -- i...
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rates and lowering tax revenues. he wants to lower the rates for the rich, and for everybody else. but he says, by eliminating loopholes and deductions to which the rich have much more access than anybody else, they will broaden the base and leave the revenue neutral or increase revenue. he says, i will not allow the share of the taxes that the rich are paying to go up. that undoes $100 million worth of obama advertising in 5 minutes. >> sean: you know, it's funny. i said something very similar -- on my radio program. it is amazing because they spent millions of dollars to position mitt romney and create a narrative about mitt romney and a caricature of mitt romney. wants dirty air, dirty water and doesn't care about children with autism or down's synd scprom wants to throw granny over the cliff. romney rendered all of those millions of dollars wasted. there is a side by side and people saw for themselves, a very different person than a caricature that the democrats were painting of him. where does he go from here? h
rates and lowering tax revenues. he wants to lower the rates for the rich, and for everybody else. but he says, by eliminating loopholes and deductions to which the rich have much more access than anybody else, they will broaden the base and leave the revenue neutral or increase revenue. he says, i will not allow the share of the taxes that the rich are paying to go up. that undoes $100 million worth of obama advertising in 5 minutes. >> sean: you know, it's funny. i said something very...
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we cannot afford another round of tax cuts for the wealthy. we can't afford to gut our investments in education or clean energy or research and technology. we can't afford to roll back regulations on wall street banks or oil companies or insurance companies. that is not a jobs plan. it's not a plan to grow our economy. it's sure not a plan to strengthen our middle class. we have been there, we have tried that. we're not going back, we are moving forward. we have got a different view about how we create jobs and prosperity in this country. this country doesn't just succeed when just a few are doing well at the top. it succeeds when the middle class gets bigger. our economy doesn't grow from the top down, it grows from the middle out. we don't believe that anybody is entitled to success in this country, but we do believe in opportunity. we believe in a country where hard work pays off and responsibility is rewarded and everybody is getting a fair shot and everybody is doing their fair share and everybody is playing by the same rules. that's the
we cannot afford another round of tax cuts for the wealthy. we can't afford to gut our investments in education or clean energy or research and technology. we can't afford to roll back regulations on wall street banks or oil companies or insurance companies. that is not a jobs plan. it's not a plan to grow our economy. it's sure not a plan to strengthen our middle class. we have been there, we have tried that. we're not going back, we are moving forward. we have got a different view about how...
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when you compare the top marginal income tax rate, the tax rate that top earners get taxed over the highest threshold with employment, growth happens when taxes are higher, not lower. let me show you a chart that the president could have used this week to simplify the whole debate. this is what the election boils down to right here. larry bartels' chart makes it clear, under democratic presidents, everyone does better, even the very top. talk about trickle-down big government but more importantly, americans are ready to move on, even before the good news job numbers were released, an nbc/"wall street journal" survey showed that 44% of americans believe the economy will improve in the next year and four in ten say the country is headed in the right direction, the highest percentage on this question since june of 2009. here with me is cnbc contributor, dan dicker, a 25-year trading veteran of the new york mercantile exchange, civil right attorney mya wiley. attorney raul ruiz and a contributor to "the nation" magazine. thank you for being here. let me ask a question, does 7.8% wipe away wedne
when you compare the top marginal income tax rate, the tax rate that top earners get taxed over the highest threshold with employment, growth happens when taxes are higher, not lower. let me show you a chart that the president could have used this week to simplify the whole debate. this is what the election boils down to right here. larry bartels' chart makes it clear, under democratic presidents, everyone does better, even the very top. talk about trickle-down big government but more...
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why is it when you're taking advantage of a tax break and you're a businessman you're a businessman. but if you're taking advantage of something you're a moocher. >> cenk: ana. >> it might be entertaining, but it's substantive. when i was watching the debates that's what i do for a living. i have to pay attention to those things. i have a hard time doing it because it's so boring. the candidates have to be so polite. right there you see stewart's passion. you see he's being persuasive. why obama can't be like that? i understand the stress and pressure, it's a huge part of it, but obama has to be as respectful as possible, mitt romney has to be respectful. they can't raise their voices. i can't stand that about our debates. >> obama could have been better than he was. he'll never be jon stewart. he'll never strife to be jon stewart. but that's a great point about mooching and entitlements. that's great but he can't deliver it from standing on an apple cart to be higher and he can't joke. >> you'll always get people who will tear someone down. the small things that happen in debates, w
why is it when you're taking advantage of a tax break and you're a businessman you're a businessman. but if you're taking advantage of something you're a moocher. >> cenk: ana. >> it might be entertaining, but it's substantive. when i was watching the debates that's what i do for a living. i have to pay attention to those things. i have a hard time doing it because it's so boring. the candidates have to be so polite. right there you see stewart's passion. you see he's being...
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i don't have a tax cut that's $4.8 trillion. i'm not going to cut taxes on the rich. i don't have a medicare voucher plan. i love teachers. and i think we need more of them. look, don't believe me. speaker gingrich was pretty eloquent running during the primaries and saying, mitt romney will say absolutely anything to get elected. and if somebody says absolutely anything to get elected you have to wonder what they'll say when they are president of the united states. >> so, speaker, you did say he was fundamentally dishonest after debating him in the primaries. this is not a new attack against romney policy. >> no. and i think that the challenge for the obama people is pretty simple. the president of the united states had 90 minutes. now, if he had done his homework and actually prepared, if he had actually studied romney, why didn't he say it? why didn't he take romney head on? first of all, the charges on the tax cuts are plain wrong, and i think virtually every analyst has said and even your deputy campaign manager said the charges made are wrong. but forgetting tha
i don't have a tax cut that's $4.8 trillion. i'm not going to cut taxes on the rich. i don't have a medicare voucher plan. i love teachers. and i think we need more of them. look, don't believe me. speaker gingrich was pretty eloquent running during the primaries and saying, mitt romney will say absolutely anything to get elected. and if somebody says absolutely anything to get elected you have to wonder what they'll say when they are president of the united states. >> so, speaker, you...
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but in this case on the tax plan, not so much obama care and other things, it did. was it played in the clips? >> it was. >> very little. >> there was a misperception on the argument over taxes. if you watched mitt romney over the campaign, he has argue head will cut everyone's tack bus not change the shiefr the burden that the wealthy will pay. now, that may turn out to be true or not if he's ever elect and goes to congress with a plan. but he did not change his plan the night of the debate. what he tried to do finally in then tire campaign is rebut the very effective obama argument that he's cutting taxes for the wealthy and sticking the middle class with a tab. it's not something the republicans believe is true. >> the key word was share, the share was taxes that the wealthy will pay. and so i was surprised the president didn't go after that too. >> is it simply that -- i've seen 20 times that. is it the other stuff, the stuff we're talking about here, the stuff that's considered too boring? >> yes, absolutely. yes. that sflies that depresses me. >> would that jo
but in this case on the tax plan, not so much obama care and other things, it did. was it played in the clips? >> it was. >> very little. >> there was a misperception on the argument over taxes. if you watched mitt romney over the campaign, he has argue head will cut everyone's tack bus not change the shiefr the burden that the wealthy will pay. now, that may turn out to be true or not if he's ever elect and goes to congress with a plan. but he did not change his plan the...
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there's a 20% rate reduction from the bush tax cuts, we're going to end the estate tax. we're going to cut the corporate tax rate from 35% to 25%. you cannot sit here, mr. speaker or anybody can sit here and say that doesn't require a reduction in the amount of revenue by $4.8 trillion. >> i'll say it i'll say it. >> moderates, levels, everybody says here's the problem, you guys won't give them any credit for closing loopholes. he won't name the loopholes, you're attacking him for not giving you the target and you tack him when you get the target. >> and it's like admitting that the substance doesn't match up. >> if there's substance, why do, you keep bringing up substance. let me hear some obama substance. your substance is always to attack romney. >> if he had a couple of sharp ideas and looked like he liked the job, he would have had a much better debate. >> mitt romney said my health care plan will do the same thing. >> it doesn't seem to me that it's as binary as this, mr. speaker. think there's an issue of whether something has to give. can you talk about fact chec
there's a 20% rate reduction from the bush tax cuts, we're going to end the estate tax. we're going to cut the corporate tax rate from 35% to 25%. you cannot sit here, mr. speaker or anybody can sit here and say that doesn't require a reduction in the amount of revenue by $4.8 trillion. >> i'll say it i'll say it. >> moderates, levels, everybody says here's the problem, you guys won't give them any credit for closing loopholes. he won't name the loopholes, you're attacking him for...
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he is right in saying that 47% of the country pays no income taxes. that's a fact. but conservetism means you talk hope. you talk about lifting people up so they can make it in america. they want to become taxpayers. that's where he was tonal deaf. >> but his response now is saying he was completely wrong which is different than what he said earlier which is like well, i stated it inelegantly. he's now using this blanket statement which allows people to interpret it as they will. >> i think what he is saying there is he was completely wrong to speak pejoratively of the 47% and he was completely wrong to do that. he is right about the basic economics of our country. >> okay. >> we have gotten to the point where the country is half paying no income taxes and getting the advantages of government. >> roland -- >> does that mean it's the right number, too high, too low, that's a good argument to get into. >> i'm utterly confused right now. i'm utterly confused because ari is trying to explain the original comment from mitt romney which i thought mitt romney was very clea
he is right in saying that 47% of the country pays no income taxes. that's a fact. but conservetism means you talk hope. you talk about lifting people up so they can make it in america. they want to become taxpayers. that's where he was tonal deaf. >> but his response now is saying he was completely wrong which is different than what he said earlier which is like well, i stated it inelegantly. he's now using this blanket statement which allows people to interpret it as they will. >>...
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but he has said before that he wants to cut taxes for all americans the basis of his tax plan is that he wants to cut taxes for everyone. that, to me, was the most stunning one liner of the night, actually. >> yeah, i think so. but i also think, dana, it also stunning that you would stand up there and act like americans can't do math. i mean, you can't have a plan and then when the plan equals $5 trillion, you can't say, that's not what i'm saying. i mean, it is absolutely insulting to the american people. if you believe in a plan, if you believe if your plan is workable and doable and better than the president's, say, that argue it, and let the voters vote. but don't turn around and act like we're crazy because we heard what you've been saying for the last 18 months. >> right. obama is now in a position to nail jello to the wall. you said that romney was lying on wednesday night. now, that's possible or it's possible he's now telling the truth and the others were lies. you can't have a tax cut of that size and not add to the deficit because there are not enough loopholes to close to
but he has said before that he wants to cut taxes for all americans the basis of his tax plan is that he wants to cut taxes for everyone. that, to me, was the most stunning one liner of the night, actually. >> yeah, i think so. but i also think, dana, it also stunning that you would stand up there and act like americans can't do math. i mean, you can't have a plan and then when the plan equals $5 trillion, you can't say, that's not what i'm saying. i mean, it is absolutely insulting to...
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you cannot cut taxes by $5 trillion as he's doing and simply say, oh, i don't have that tax cut. i'm not going to cut taxes for the wealthy when the average high-income earner is going to get a $250,000 tax cut. >> let me stop you right there because the romney campaign has a new ad just out on that point and say the president and his team are aligned when they call it a $5 trillion tax cut. >> president obama continues to distort mitt romney's economic plan. the latest, not telling the truth about mitt romney's tax plan. the ap says it doesn't add up. abc news, mostly fiction, even the obama campaign admitted it it wasn't true. >> well, okay, stipulated it won't be near $5 trillion. >> so does the campaign now accept that the cuts will be less than $5 trillion? >> no, absolutely not. i mean, look, if you're going to reduce the bush tax rates by 20% in the estate tax, in the amt, change the corporate rate and a whole host of other changes it epzs up in a reduction of revenue. the question for governor romney is what loopholes will you close supposedly to make up for that revenue
you cannot cut taxes by $5 trillion as he's doing and simply say, oh, i don't have that tax cut. i'm not going to cut taxes for the wealthy when the average high-income earner is going to get a $250,000 tax cut. >> let me stop you right there because the romney campaign has a new ad just out on that point and say the president and his team are aligned when they call it a $5 trillion tax cut. >> president obama continues to distort mitt romney's economic plan. the latest, not telling...